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	<title>Comments on: Moving Away from Modernism</title>
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		<title>By: NHK</title>
		<link>http://douglas.nerad.org/journal/2006/04/29/moving-away-from-modernism/#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator>NHK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 06:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think part of the problem is that you're indicting entire movements, eras, etc., rather that the specific things you dislike. Investigate - at least cursorily - the various schools, styles, etc. and pinpoint what you really *don't* like; then try and find some "modern" (please don't slug me, Annemone) art that you *do* like. You yourself admit you have a "love/hate relationship with the movement".

Personally, I'm partial to Barbara Kruger, Wassily Kandinsky, Cindy Sherman, and some of Robert Mapplethorpe's stuff...some of that's photography, so I'm not sure how relevant it is to this discussion.

Steel yourself with a shot of scotch and head down to the SFMOMA for a few hours; I'll bet you a steak you won't leave without finding at least three pieces you like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think part of the problem is that you&#8217;re indicting entire movements, eras, etc., rather that the specific things you dislike. Investigate - at least cursorily - the various schools, styles, etc. and pinpoint what you really *don&#8217;t* like; then try and find some &#8220;modern&#8221; (please don&#8217;t slug me, Annemone) art that you *do* like. You yourself admit you have a &#8220;love/hate relationship with the movement&#8221;.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m partial to Barbara Kruger, Wassily Kandinsky, Cindy Sherman, and some of Robert Mapplethorpe&#8217;s stuff&#8230;some of that&#8217;s photography, so I&#8217;m not sure how relevant it is to this discussion.</p>
<p>Steel yourself with a shot of scotch and head down to the SFMOMA for a few hours; I&#8217;ll bet you a steak you won&#8217;t leave without finding at least three pieces you like.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas</title>
		<link>http://douglas.nerad.org/journal/2006/04/29/moving-away-from-modernism/#comment-317</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 04:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But... How can I talk about my love/hate relationship with the movement if I don't use it's own terminology? Isn't SFMOMA the San Francisco Museum of &lt;i&gt;Modern&lt;/i&gt; Art? C'mon!

Any ideas of what I *should* call it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But&#8230; How can I talk about my love/hate relationship with the movement if I don&#8217;t use it&#8217;s own terminology? Isn&#8217;t SFMOMA the San Francisco Museum of <i>Modern</i> Art? C&#8217;mon!</p>
<p>Any ideas of what I *should* call it?</p>
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		<title>By: annemone</title>
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		<dc:creator>annemone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 03:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please stop using the word "modern" in regards to art.  Please please PLEASE.  I have no issues with you deriding "that" kind of art, but I don't think dragging the word "modern" is helping to make your case.  At least not for me.  I do think you should keep working on this paper/rant/blog entry, if only to work through issues with the kind of art you love to hate.

sincerely,

an aspiring critic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please stop using the word &#8220;modern&#8221; in regards to art.  Please please PLEASE.  I have no issues with you deriding &#8220;that&#8221; kind of art, but I don&#8217;t think dragging the word &#8220;modern&#8221; is helping to make your case.  At least not for me.  I do think you should keep working on this paper/rant/blog entry, if only to work through issues with the kind of art you love to hate.</p>
<p>sincerely,</p>
<p>an aspiring critic</p>
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		<title>By: douglas</title>
		<link>http://douglas.nerad.org/journal/2006/04/29/moving-away-from-modernism/#comment-270</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 01:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I can imagine a few people railing against basic math. Of course those people can generally be ignored. Except when they enter politics.

I'm with you that artists are not employable. This doesn't mean that a person can't make a living at art (and a great many do). Still, most artists should expect to retain "regular" jobs.

"The mark of a truly skilled critic is the ability to suck all joy out of othersâ€™ experience of almost any given thing." That is absolutely quotable, NHK! And by the way, I'm not saying all modern art sucks, I'm just saying most of it does and that the idea of "modern" is kind of stupid when the style is anywhere from 70 to 100 years old. If it's older than my parents it is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; "modern"!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I can imagine a few people railing against basic math. Of course those people can generally be ignored. Except when they enter politics.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you that artists are not employable. This doesn&#8217;t mean that a person can&#8217;t make a living at art (and a great many do). Still, most artists should expect to retain &#8220;regular&#8221; jobs.</p>
<p>&#8220;The mark of a truly skilled critic is the ability to suck all joy out of othersâ€™ experience of almost any given thing.&#8221; That is absolutely quotable, NHK! And by the way, I&#8217;m not saying all modern art sucks, I&#8217;m just saying most of it does and that the idea of &#8220;modern&#8221; is kind of stupid when the style is anywhere from 70 to 100 years old. If it&#8217;s older than my parents it is <i>not</i> &#8220;modern&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: m.ookee.com</title>
		<link>http://douglas.nerad.org/journal/2006/04/29/moving-away-from-modernism/#comment-268</link>
		<dc:creator>m.ookee.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 19:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed (with Doug, that is -- I couldn't understand NHK's holier than thou art critic tone of injustice toward the art world)...well, maybe that wasn't what was meant, I couldn't stand it either way.

Whatever...I agree with the post, it's kind of the same thing I used to say about poetry.  You don't like it?  OK.  Just because you don't like it doesn't make it bad ... Isn't that what all art is supposed to be about?  People shouldn't be "employed" as artists.  Not in the sense that we think of art.

Sure, we need graphic artists for this or that, or the covers of this or that, but art is supposed to be an outlet, not a profession.  

As you said, art is subjective ... in fact, it's kind of the anti-science (or what's provable).  There is no good, bad, etc., just art.  No one rails at mathmeticians when they say 2+2=4, why is it that we have to prove that this piece is better than that one?  I like it, you don't.  I see a naked woman blowing up her neighbor's front yard, you see a cat eating a banana peel out of the garbage.  My interpretation is much more entertaining (the naked woman is hot), but it doesn't make it any better.

...Actually, thinking about it, we should do that one day.  Just go to some art museum (MOMA comes to mind) and just make shit up about what we see, and express those thoughts loudly enough to annoy those around us...after all, it is art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed (with Doug, that is &#8212; I couldn&#8217;t understand NHK&#8217;s holier than thou art critic tone of injustice toward the art world)&#8230;well, maybe that wasn&#8217;t what was meant, I couldn&#8217;t stand it either way.</p>
<p>Whatever&#8230;I agree with the post, it&#8217;s kind of the same thing I used to say about poetry.  You don&#8217;t like it?  OK.  Just because you don&#8217;t like it doesn&#8217;t make it bad &#8230; Isn&#8217;t that what all art is supposed to be about?  People shouldn&#8217;t be &#8220;employed&#8221; as artists.  Not in the sense that we think of art.</p>
<p>Sure, we need graphic artists for this or that, or the covers of this or that, but art is supposed to be an outlet, not a profession.  </p>
<p>As you said, art is subjective &#8230; in fact, it&#8217;s kind of the anti-science (or what&#8217;s provable).  There is no good, bad, etc., just art.  No one rails at mathmeticians when they say 2+2=4, why is it that we have to prove that this piece is better than that one?  I like it, you don&#8217;t.  I see a naked woman blowing up her neighbor&#8217;s front yard, you see a cat eating a banana peel out of the garbage.  My interpretation is much more entertaining (the naked woman is hot), but it doesn&#8217;t make it any better.</p>
<p>&#8230;Actually, thinking about it, we should do that one day.  Just go to some art museum (MOMA comes to mind) and just make shit up about what we see, and express those thoughts loudly enough to annoy those around us&#8230;after all, it is art.</p>
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		<title>By: NHK</title>
		<link>http://douglas.nerad.org/journal/2006/04/29/moving-away-from-modernism/#comment-267</link>
		<dc:creator>NHK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 02:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You remind me of myself back in college, railing against film criticism and the French "New Wave" (which hasn't actually been new for several decades). I'm mostly in agreement with you, in theory anyway; though I suppose the whole idea here is to eschew theory!

That said, there is some extremely freaking cool so-called modern art out there...as well as a lot of crappy, "meaningful", over-contextualized nonsense.

The mark of a truly skilled critic, btw, is the ability to suck all joy out of others' experience of almost any given thing, even *good* art;  this is true regardless of whether they're telling you that you should love it or hate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You remind me of myself back in college, railing against film criticism and the French &#8220;New Wave&#8221; (which hasn&#8217;t actually been new for several decades). I&#8217;m mostly in agreement with you, in theory anyway; though I suppose the whole idea here is to eschew theory!</p>
<p>That said, there is some extremely freaking cool so-called modern art out there&#8230;as well as a lot of crappy, &#8220;meaningful&#8221;, over-contextualized nonsense.</p>
<p>The mark of a truly skilled critic, btw, is the ability to suck all joy out of others&#8217; experience of almost any given thing, even *good* art;  this is true regardless of whether they&#8217;re telling you that you should love it or hate it.</p>
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